Very simple - go to Walgreens - purchase Primatine Mist Tablets (2 tablets have 25 mg of Ephdrine - real ephdrine and not herbal ephedra) - purchase nodoz and a bottle of 81mg (baby) aspirin - now you have the real ECA stack - personally, 1 primatine, a nodoz and the aspirin and I'm juiced to the gills - you need ID to purchase Primatine - I guess people use it to make meth.
Read my threads at bodybuilding.com
* The Basics of the ECY Stack...
* Sawastea's Review of Thermogenics, Protein, Cell-volumizers and Miscellaneous
If you have any questions, let me know.
* The Basics of the ECY Stack...
* Sawastea's Review of Thermogenics, Protein, Cell-volumizers and Miscellaneous
If you have any questions, let me know.
I'll be honest with you, I never took it, but at the same time, I haven't heard much about it in a positive light. I do think that most MT products are over-priced for what they contain. It's not a matter of if they work, as most of the products are good, but why are people paying the asinine prices for these products when you could get similar, if not better, products elsewhere for a fraction of the price. There is NO question that MT has the best marketing out there, and because of this, they HAVE to raise their prices to offset advertising.
News flash, their R&D department isn't the best in the world. Don't get caught up on the 'special 8 page' ads you see in the magazines.
Ephedrine HCL + caffeine = all you need. If you do want to add more to the stack, the EGCG and synephrine HCL will do great. Water is extremely important but DIET and EXERCISE are the most important factors.
In regards to aspirin...
Aspirin
"Aspirin {salicyclic acid acetate} and it's naturally occurring methyl ester (methyl salicylate)-- found in the leaves of Gaultheria procumbrens and on the bark of Betula lenta-- have long been used as analgesics, anti-inflammatories, antipyretics and recently as anti-coagulants. The "A" portion of ECA, aspirin has been thought of potentiating the thermogenic and lipolytic properties of both ephedrine and caffeine. Recent research seems to contradict this however. At a study at The University of London's Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, 40 women (20 non-obese and 20 obese) were given either ephedrine and caffeine (30 mg and 100 mg) or ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin (30 mg, 100 mg, and 300 mg) post prandially (1050 kJ liquid meal). Using indirect calorimetry, observations were made in all groups every 30 minutes for 160 minutes. There was no significant differences between the groups that received aspirin and the groups that did not. We conclude that aspirin does not potentiate the acute thermic effect of ephedrine and caffeine.6
In another study conducted at King's College in London, it was demonstrated that aspirin does not potentiate the thermogenic response to ephedrine in lean women and only slightly so in obese women.7 The increase seen in this study represented a 1.2 kcal per hour increase in metabolism for lean women and a 2.4 kcal per hour increase in metabolism in obese women over use of ephedrine alone, which over an entire week, would represent less than one ounce of bodyweight. We feel that this is insignificant.7
Based on these two studies, we feel that aspirin and its analogs do not play a substantial role in inducing or increasing thermogenesis and/or lipolysis but they do have the potential to induce SAEs when consumed over long periods of time (e.g. ulceration of the stomach and increases in bleeding times). Therefore, we feel that aspirin and it's analogs should not be used in any thermogenic/lipolytic stack."
6) Horton TJ, Geissler CA. Post-prandial Thermogenesis with Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin in Lean, Predisposed Obese and Non-obese women. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disorder, 1996 Feb;20(2):91-95.
7) Horton TJ, Geissler CA. Aspirin Potentiates the Effect of Ephedrine on the Thermogenic Response to a Meal in Obese but not Lean Women. Int J Obes, 1991 May;15(5):359-366.
Most of the arguements that people make for aspirin state that aspirin extends the thermogenic effects of ephedrine by inhibiting the enzyme cyclooxygenase and therefore decreasing prostaglandin synthesis (why aspirin is an anti-inflammatory). This helps combat one of ephedrine's effects. Ephedrine stimulates the release of norepinephrine, which stimulates the release of adenosine and the synthesis of prostaglandins by the activated tissue. Since aspirin inhibits the synthesis of prostaglandins (1), it is believed it enhances the effect of norepinephrine (the reason why caffeine is included in the stack to combat adenosine). By increasing the amount of norepinephrine one would expect to increase lipolysis. Caffeine achieves this, however in actual studies aspirin as yet to prove the same. One can only hypothesize on why aspirin's effect on prostaglandins does not effect lipolysis.
There have been no studies that I am aware of that show that an ECA stack is more effective than an EC stack. The only studies that have been proven to work are when an ECA stack has been done in a study against a placebo. Couple this information with the effects aspirin has on the stomach (nausea, heartburn, and sometimes bleeding ulcers) one could conclude that the most effective stack would be just Ephedrine and Caffeine.
1. Rawson ES, Clarkson PA. Ephedrine as an ergogenic aid. Performance-enhancing Substances in Sport and Exercise. Ed Bahrke MS, Yesalis CE. Human Kinetics. 2002.
I could find Epherine HCL at the site you recommended.
What about this:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]ECA STACK EXTREME
EACH BOTTLE CONTAINS 100 PILLS.
SCROLL UP OR DOWN THE SCREEN FOR MORE EPHEDRA PRODUCTS
For any questions or difficulties making a purchase contact us here or sales@thatswholesale.com.
[/FONT]SITE UPDATE : 08/02/2007 FREE SHIPPING!
EXPIRATION: 10/2009
ECA STACK EXTREME HAS CHANGED TO TRI-STACK
SAME EXACT FORMULA, JUST A DIFFERENT NAME !
[$44] 1 BOTTLE (FREE SHIPPING)
[$86] 2 BOTTLES (FREE SHIPPING)
[$126] 3 BOTTLES (FREE SHIPPING)
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]SERVING SIZE: 1 PILL
[/FONT]PROPRIETARY BLEND 520MG: EPHEDRA EXTRACT (25MG EPHEDRINE GROUP ALKALOIDS), HOODIA, KOLA NUT (200mg CAFFEINE), WHITE WILLOW BARK, CHROMIUM PICOLINATE. Name has changed to avoid trademark conflict with a similar very effective diet supplement of the past. Still made by the same company that brought you ECA STACK EXTREME and it has the same ingredients.
Combine the power and ingredients of the best ECA Stack with Hoodia, the most popular appetite suppressant in the market, and you get ECA Stack Extreme. All the original ECA (Ephedra, Caffeine and Aspirin) in it's optimal ratio with Hoodia for extra hunger control.
What about this:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]ECA STACK EXTREME
EACH BOTTLE CONTAINS 100 PILLS.
SCROLL UP OR DOWN THE SCREEN FOR MORE EPHEDRA PRODUCTS
For any questions or difficulties making a purchase contact us here or sales@thatswholesale.com.
[/FONT]SITE UPDATE : 08/02/2007 FREE SHIPPING!
EXPIRATION: 10/2009
ECA STACK EXTREME HAS CHANGED TO TRI-STACK
SAME EXACT FORMULA, JUST A DIFFERENT NAME !
[$44] 1 BOTTLE (FREE SHIPPING)
[$86] 2 BOTTLES (FREE SHIPPING)
[$126] 3 BOTTLES (FREE SHIPPING)
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]SERVING SIZE: 1 PILL
[/FONT]PROPRIETARY BLEND 520MG: EPHEDRA EXTRACT (25MG EPHEDRINE GROUP ALKALOIDS), HOODIA, KOLA NUT (200mg CAFFEINE), WHITE WILLOW BARK, CHROMIUM PICOLINATE. Name has changed to avoid trademark conflict with a similar very effective diet supplement of the past. Still made by the same company that brought you ECA STACK EXTREME and it has the same ingredients.
Combine the power and ingredients of the best ECA Stack with Hoodia, the most popular appetite suppressant in the market, and you get ECA Stack Extreme. All the original ECA (Ephedra, Caffeine and Aspirin) in it's optimal ratio with Hoodia for extra hunger control.
I could find Epherine HCL at the site you recommended.
What about this:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]ECA STACK EXTREME
EACH BOTTLE CONTAINS 100 PILLS.
SCROLL UP OR DOWN THE SCREEN FOR MORE EPHEDRA PRODUCTS
For any questions or difficulties making a purchase contact us here or sales@thatswholesale.com.
[/FONT]SITE UPDATE : 08/02/2007 FREE SHIPPING!
EXPIRATION: 10/2009
ECA STACK EXTREME HAS CHANGED TO TRI-STACK
SAME EXACT FORMULA, JUST A DIFFERENT NAME !
[$44] 1 BOTTLE (FREE SHIPPING)
[$86] 2 BOTTLES (FREE SHIPPING)
[$126] 3 BOTTLES (FREE SHIPPING)[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]SERVING SIZE: 1 PILL
[/FONT]PROPRIETARY BLEND 520MG: EPHEDRA EXTRACT (25MG EPHEDRINE GROUP ALKALOIDS), HOODIA, KOLA NUT (200mg CAFFEINE), WHITE WILLOW BARK, CHROMIUM PICOLINATE. Name has changed to avoid trademark conflict with a similar very effective diet supplement of the past. Still made by the same company that brought you ECA STACK EXTREME and it has the same ingredients.
Combine the power and ingredients of the best ECA Stack with Hoodia, the most popular appetite suppressant in the market, and you get ECA Stack Extreme. All the original ECA (Ephedra, Caffeine and Aspirin) in it's optimal ratio with Hoodia for extra hunger control.
I'm surprised they're selling this with 25mg ephedrine alkaloids, since it is illegal to have over 10mg in one serving :think2:
You can buy yohimbie HCL at the BB.com Cyberstore or even at DPS Nutrition. Primaforce is a solid company that you can get them cheap. Make sure the caffeine is set at 200mg per cap.
Ephedrine HCL is tougher to get, but you could try DNE and search for the BOLT ephedrine in the green box.
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I got the Vasapro Ephedrine tablets but it also has another ingredient in them. Hope that is ok.
Vasopro Ephedrine HCL 25mgs Mega Pro 24ct
MegaPro Vasopro Ephedrine HCL 25 mgs(Mini Thins) 24ct is not being Banned and is not available for auto-ship. Pharmaceutical grade 25 mg Ephedrine HCL 200 mg Guaifeniesin Potency guaranteed by HPLC analysis FDA Regulations: more ...
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Vasopro Ephedrine HCL 25mgs Mega Pro 24ct
MegaPro Vasopro Ephedrine HCL 25 mgs(Mini Thins) 24ct is not being Banned and is not available for auto-ship. Pharmaceutical grade 25 mg Ephedrine HCL 200 mg Guaifeniesin Potency guaranteed by HPLC analysis FDA Regulations: more ...
Sellers Found: 3
